Sorry, Men, You Are Not Oppressed: The Magical Mysteries of Misandry

If you have the stomach for it, type “misandry” into Google, and take a gander at what you’re rewarded with. The internet is chock full of self-righteous misogynists who think us “female supremacists” just need to “have some sense fucked into us” (because nothing inspires faith in your concept that sex equality already exists like your reinforcement of rape culture, and the idea that us little ladies just need a good deep dicking to set us straight). It’s a really disturbing look not only at the very real hatred that still exists for women, but also of the pointed ignorance it takes to the problem of misogyny as a whole.

I’ll issue a challenge: Share with me a demonstration of misandry, and I will explain how it is actually a demonstration of misogyny. To start, I’ll take a few common ones down, point-by-point:

1. Campaigns against domestic violence and rape focus on women, when there are male victims.

Yes, men are the victims of domestic violence, and yes, men get raped. As acknowledged at the start of my last post, ten percent of rape victims are male. But you know what that leaves? 90 percent who are female. Should that ten percent get ignored, should their crimes not be prosecuted? Of course not. But focusing on so few while so many suffer is not going to in any way affect the long-term problem. Likewise, women are far more likely to suffer domestic abuse. Feminists do not advocate for male victims to be ignored, we advocate for female victims to be recognized, in crimes that are often glossed over by society at large, in a powerful demonstration of misogynistic hatred.

2. Men are depicted poorly in media, as neanderthal losers with beautiful, capable wives.

First, stop a moment to consider how little women are portrayed in media at all, let alone as anything other than a supporting character to the male-driven plot. Second, evaluate the real dynamics of that neanderthal husband/hot wife dynamic: First, it’s sending the message that no matter how much of a “catch” we ladies are, we’re to be ensnared by any wandering male who happens to deem us worthy of his attention. How many television shows feature a conventionally unattractive, rude, obese women with her Chippendale-double husband? It’s not an insult to men that they’re told they can be as slovenly, ill-mannered, and lazy as they wish and still expect a beautiful, capable wife. It’s a statement on how we, as women, should have low standards because we should be grateful for any and all male attention that is granted to us.

Third, how capable are these women, really, and where does their expertise lie? Often, the wives are stay-at-home moms, and yes, spectacular ones; but this is an extension of the misogyny that says women are biologically driven to be good mothers, and males aren’t required to be good fathers. Occasionally the mom will be an amazing multi-tasker, working outside the home (often as a receptionist or other subservient role) while also keeping her home, children, and husband in hot meals, clean clothes, and constant love and affection. But this isn’t about painting women as super-capable. It is about the standard that we, as women, are held to in real life, where even if we work outside the home, we are expected to pick up most of the household chores as well, and do it with a smile, because that’s a woman’s role.

3. Girls and women are allowed more self-expression; it’s okay to be a tomboy, but not a girly-man.

This is not a hatred of men and all things male, it is a hatred of anything female/feminine, even when demonstrated by a male. This is a fashion in which male rape is often derided–it is mocked as a feminine violation, and the victim as less of a man for “allowing” it to happen. To the contrary, a woman demonstrating masculine qualities faces two possible outcomes: Acceptance and congratulations for embracing attributes viewed as beyond her normal, limited female scope of accomplishment, or derision for desiring a role equal to men, for shirking her inherently feminine duties of taking care of the home, looking conventionally pretty, etc.

4. There are programs in place to help women–such as college scholarships–while no such programs exist solely for men.

This is an argument laid against most any affirmative-action-style program. It’s viewed as “reverse prejudice” that allows the minority an unfair chance. But, even in a world where women are no longer a surprise in college, we are still fighting an uphill battle after we graduate. A woman with a degree is not on a level playing field with a man holding those same credentials. Even if she overcomes the hiring discrimination laid against women, she would still make less than a man in a comparable position. And heaven forbid she go about doing “womanly” things like becoming pregnant, she’ll face even more job discrimination. So while the leg-up via a scholarship may seem an unfair advantage at the start, it still does not even give women a chance at equality in the real world. You cannot begrudge the child who lives on bread and rice a free ice cream bar while the child finishing his steak and eggs gets none.

Really, this is a list I could continue almost indefinitely, as fans of the concept of misandry cling to any attempt to show us silly feminists how we’re fighting a battle our foremothers won decades ago. And while I try to remain calm in the face of these discussions, and I will show respect to male victims of patriarchal tyranny, there comes a point when men need to recognize that it is not okay to focus on how they are victimized by the system that actively oppresses women. It’s why misandry isn’t real the way misogyny is. Are there some women who hate men? Of course. There’s always somebody who hates somebody else. But it is not institutionalized oppression, and that is why feminists don’t want to hear about it. We do not have the power to oppress men. We do not earn more money than men, and therefore have the ability to manipulate our husbands into staying under our abusive thumbs, or foregoing their own personal enrichment to stay at home and care for us and our children. We do not dominate the House of Representatives, the Senate, the Supreme Court, and the White House, and we cannot pass laws telling men what they are and are not allowed to do with their own bodies. We do not as a group have the power to control men. Are there individual women who lord power over men? Of course. But it is not institutionalized, it is not the dynamic inherent in government, media, and the majority of households, it is not oppression.

Please, men, if you wish to argue the evils of the ever-mystical misandry, take a moment to first consider the myriad of privileges that you enjoy without even having to think about them. Remember that you do not have to side-eye every woman you meet, for fear that she might make you a statistic. Think of how socially acceptable it is if you tell your friends you don’t know how to cook, you don’t do your own laundry, you can’t remember the name of your child’s preschool teacher. And for a moment, think of the women you care about–your mother, your partner, your sisters, your friends–and know that if you can think of even six women, then statistically, one of them has had a rape attempted or completed against her. If you are my friend, reading this, you cannot escape that knowledge–I am a rape survivor, sitting on this end of my computer, asking you to acknowledge that my attack and all others like it are because women are not treated equally in this society. And I’m asking you to help change that, so maybe my little girl can avoid being yet another rape statistic like her mother.

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  2. Clarence

    First:
    Even if everything you said is true and you understood your sources and arguments (you apparently do neither) misandry means “hatred of men” and would still exist even if none of the above things were examples of it. Thus, I don’t know why you attack the concept, unless you are intellectually dishonest enough You probably should have labeled this post “Men’s Rights Myths”, which seems to be more in tune with what it is actually about.

    In order:
    1. When men have to freaking SUE to get access to taxpayer funded services, that is misandry. I don’t particularly care about what the overall statistics are, if a single victim is denied services due to sex, that is discrimination.
    http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=2844

    2. As you probably know women tend to be the prime target for television advertisements, in part because they have so much influence when it comes to shopping.
    http://she-conomy.com/report/facts-on-women/
    As the major audience for these ads, they are at the minimum, equally culpable for their propogation.
    3. Since women often enforce such standards of masculinity by who they chose to deride or date, I’m not about to let women off the hook for enforcing and propogating “gender rules”. Indeed, as a mother you are probably the single greatest influence in terms of how your child will grow up and develop. PHMT won’t get women off the hook for not preferring “girly” men as sexual partners in large numbers.

    4. http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf

    The more factors you analyze, the smaller the “gap” grows between men’s and women’s wages. Indeed the gap is a myth anyway, for comparing “group woman” (working age) to “group man” (working age) and pretending these groups have the same interests , career aspirations, and assigning pregnancy to male oppression is just down right retarded. It’s illegal (and has been since 1964 explicitly) for someone to pay you less for the exact same job as a man because you are a woman. It’s also not the case that all sub groups of women earn less than sub groups of men:
    http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2015274,00.html

    • First: Do not use slurs on my blog. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T549VoLca_Q If you do so again, I will know that it is done maliciously rather than ignorantly, and I will delete this first comment as well.

      Second: I challenge you to actually read my blog before going off on a tirade. “It’s why misandry isn’t real the way misogyny is.” That’s a direct quote from my second-to-last paragraph, which, along with the concluding paragraph, explains the difference between individual discrimination and social oppression. Sniping over my vernacular or choice of title is off-topic; I believe if I’d called it “Men’s rights myths,” I’d be blasted by MRAs for calling their “oppression” a myth. Without agreeing with you, there’s simply no winning in your eyes, and it’s clear that we disagree.

      Now, in order:

      1. Again, discrimination is not oppression. I again suggest re-reading the last two paragraphs. Left-handers face discrimination (including lackidasical safety standards in workhouses using right-handed equipment), would you call them an oppressed group in American culture? If so, this is a moot argument, as I stand by the dissonance between discrimination and oppression.

      2. Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that women have equal buying power, and are therefore “equally culpable” in regards to the stereotypes presented in media. This does nothing to negate the argument of misogyny in mainstream media. Internalized misogyny (http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2007/10/20/internalized-sexism/) is a very serious problem, and women can be misogynists just as easily as men. I do not give women a pass simply because of their sex. I continue to come to terms with ways that I have internalized hatred of my own sex over the years, because it is so prevelant in our culture that it’s impossible to avoid. This is only a stronger argument for fighting misogynistic standards in media and elsewhere.

      3. I’m confused as to where you get the idea that women by and large prefer any particular sort of man; in my experience, people’s preferences in sexual partners vary greatly, and run the gamut from masculine to feminine. Regardless, there is nothing wrong with masculinity, whether it is demonstrated by a male, female, or intersex person. Nothing about masculinity is inherently wrong. Misogyny is not about the superiority of the masculine, so much as the inferiority of the feminine (as demonstrated in my #3 above), and the inherent association of masculine and feminine qualities with sex. I support masculinity, as much as I support femininity, and gender-freedom/gender-fluidity. I do not support the domination of one sex over another. (Note: Sex is a person’s physical makeup, determined by genetalia, chromosones, and hormones. Gender is the social standard of masculinity and femininity.)

      Also, I must point out that in your own words here, you propogate sexism: “as a mother you are probably the single greatest influence in terms of how your child will grow up and develop.” The fact that this is an assumption at all displays our culture’s deep-rooted misogyny. Women are assumed to be the caregivers, and even men who claim to act for “equality” are happy to point at a mother and say, “You’re in charge of rearing the young’uns.”

      4. http://www.amptoons.com/blog/2010/11/26/how-the-consad-report-on-the-wage-gap-masks-sexism-instead-of-measuring-it/
      To assume that “it’s illegal, so it doesn’t happen” is truth is naive at best, purposeful ignorance at worst. Murder’s illegal, so no one ever does that, right? And robery? And rape? I really don’t see why I should continue this list.

      I suggest the following jump-links:
      http://www.derailingfordummies.com/#opinion
      http://www.derailingfordummies.com/#proveit
      http://www.derailingfordummies.com/#disbelief

  3. Thank you for posting this! It’s easier to post this link then try to explain with stuttering and pissed. ;)

    • I think sometimes that’s my primary reason for keeping this blog: To have an archive of links for when I’m just too damn upset at someone’s ignorance to properly frame a response to it. :-P

  4. You need to look up the word oppression…

    1. prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control.
    2. the state of being subject to such control.

    Does… being told you can’t see your own flesh and blood children (and have no say whatsoever about how they are raised) yet have to support their mother financially for 18 years, or go to debtors prison count?

    does being kidnapped, locked in a room for six months and forced to partake in a trial when you can prove that you have done nothing wrong count?

    What about women threatening to use the force of the unjust laws if you don’t do what she wants, does that count as oppression?

    Your answer will obviously be a strong NO, for whatever reason you can rationalize.

    The truth of the matter is that men are very much oppressed, but this kind of oppression doesn’t fit your own twisted world-view where women are always victims.

    Maybe you don’t HATE men, but you are certainly INDIFFERENT to male suffering.

    • Contrary to what you may believe, I am also capable of typing words into Dictionary.com.

      As this is a social justice blog, the term is used in the social justice sense. Oppression = Prejudice + Power. Women are not in power, so individual displays of prejudice are not oppression. (Before you argue that women are in power, please take a look at the government of the United States, and show me an equal number of women in office to men. I will by happy to argue this point with you when that time comes, as I imagine I won’t have much on my plate as a diembodied spirit who’s been dead for a couple hundred years.)

      I am white; if I am victimized by a person of color, it is not racism/oppression, because people of color do not have the power to oppress me. It is a demonstration of individual prejudice. Does this mean my victimization is morally right? No, but it still doesn’t make it oppression. Same thing applies with the prejudices enacted against males and other social groups in power.

      If you want to take a break from mansplaining and actually educate yourself on these matters, please feel free to visit the links embedded in this and my other blog entries; they are wonderful resources. I have also provided links below that will hopefully allow you better understanding of the faults in this argument you have made.

      http://www.derailingfordummies.com/#butbut
      http://www.derailingfordummies.com/#disbelief
      http://www.derailingfordummies.com/#conspiracy
      http://www.derailingfordummies.com/#enjoyit
      http://www.derailingfordummies.com/#false
      http://www.derailingfordummies.com/#educate2

  5. Ah, I see… It doesn’t fit YOUR definition, so it doesn’t count… not in the ‘social justice’ sense LOL.

    “Contrary to what you may believe, I am also capable of typing words into Dictionary.com.” – it would seem otherwise, seeing as you still insist on using your feminist definition of the word oppression that ‘teh menz can’t use cos theyz in power!’ (look up the word misandry too, it means the hatred of men, not ‘oppression’, or are men unable to be hated because of their ‘power’?)
    Power, as you put it, comes in many forms. Like the power women have over men in the family courts, nay, the family altogether. Are you going to tell me that they do not have this power? Are you saying that they do not abuse it?

    Oh no! It doesn’t count because men are ‘IN POWER’?.

    This is the same dead-head argument that racist bigots use to attack white people…
    I can call you a honky because you are ‘in power’, you can’t call me a nigger because I’m ‘oppressed’. What utter trash. You know the president is black, don’t you? Or does it only become racism when there are just as many blacks in the senate?

    And what about my case? Individual prejudice at work there?
    Erm, NO! There is a system at work to persecute (synonym of oppress, strangely) any man that has been accused of rape or DV. So by your very own mathematics… power (family court and penal system) + prejudice (anti-male bias, ritual persecution) = oppression!

    Or doesn’t that count because ‘men are in power’?

    • You have thoroughly proven your ignorant resolve to continue spewing hatred regardless of factual evidence. The social justice definition of oppression is the same definition used in colleges the world over; Sociology 101 would teach you that there is no such thing as “racist bigots [who] attack white people,” because there is no racism against white people, just prejudice. Racism = Prejudice + Power, and if you are so blind as to believe having a biracial president (oh yes, half white, funny how folks like to forget that when raging against the POC in office) magically erases white privilege, then you are a lost cause on all discussions of equality.

      The confusing reference to “your case” here seems to imply that you were accused of rape or domestic violence, which makes this exchange more than a tad creepy. Given male attitudes towards rape, this is truly disturbing, and as a rape survivor, I’m going to ask you to please stop harassing me. Continued volatile comments will be deleted.

      http://www.derailingfordummies.com/#educate

      It is not my job to continue holding your hand through basic humanitarianism, and I have no intention of doing so. Please take your vitriol elsewhere.

  6. RKM

    The article you have written seems to be based on half baked data and does not look very well researched, it rather reeks of the classic pattern of claiming victimhood by bending facts and interpreting them from a biased point of view to suit a particular intent. On Specific points please recognise in any system a minority always requires specific attention. Your argument that only 10 % of the victims of DV are men (though the data is seriously dubious), and therefore do not require any attention is defective. It requires special attention for the fact that its ignorance has the potential of creating large resentment among both the sufferers and the non sufferers. You don’t want it to grow to lets say 50% before you decide to tackle the same. And justice must be equally accessible to all regardless of the status of majority or minority. And What makes you believe men and women can’t progress together? Atleast thats the idea you give through your article. Being a rape victim is troubling, nevertheless you got to get over it. Rape is a criminal activity and has nothing to do with equality. You have a lot of bitterness left in you.

  7. I Like Complaining

    But… Aren’t females more likely to abuse their partner than males are? I mean, when a man hurts a women, he’ll get fined if anyone sees it. If a female hurts a man? People will cheer her on.

    The fact that men are getting ridiculed and glossed over whenever abuse or rape comes into the picture really says something. I have people saying that being masculine is desirable while being feminine… isn’t.

    Well, if TV/books/pretty much EVERYTHING have taught me anything, it’s that women are the smart and kind ones, while men are abusive and stupid. How would you like to be switch gender roles for a while and get accused of rape and everyone buys it because you’re a male? How would you like to get raped while you switch with a man and try to report it, but NO ONE listens and just laugh it off and wind up becoming the butt of jokes?

    Women can cry and whine and no one cares. But when a man cries, everyone’s all like, “WHOA, THIS GUY’S SUCH A SISSY, LOOK AT HIM! HE’S CRYING!”

    And that thing you posted about the statistics of men? One in ten males get raped. When men get raped, it’s usually a lot more violent then when women get raped. We’ve grown to ignore men so much that criminals tend to rape men just so they won’t get in jail. And besides, it’s possible that that 10% is under-reported. But you’re all like, “OH, IF 90% ARE WOMEN, THEN OF COURSE WE SHOULD FOCUS ON THEM AND ONLY THEM!”

    Men are shown as being idiots and scumbags so much so that there is a decrease in masculinity. Boys are fearing being like the men they see on TV so much that they’re deciding to be more like women, who are always shown as being kind and nurturing.

    It’s not just women that oppress men. Men oppress men as well. Men always were the expendable gender, though. Why do you think whenever there’s a massacre, it’s usually the slaughtered women/children that get all the attention while the men are mostly ignored?

    And when you say that that’s misogyny because it shows how women are low enough to sink to their level… I’ve heard quite a different interpretation. Women are saints, and as such they’re willing to look past that blob of bumbling incompetence and respect them as human beings, and of COURSE men only want them because of how hot they are.

    Just look at VAWA, what with their stating that any sort of abuse against men isn’t nearly as important as when said abuse is directed against a women. Women want to wipe out the entire male race, women want to send men to concentration camps. Apparently, men are all pigs. The reason they talk to you is so you won’t know they’re thinking about sex. To men, sex is the most important thing ever. I forgot what page this was, but the contents were so biased and ridiculous. And those were supposed to be actual FACTS about men. No mention that most (well, 30%, but still) men don’t think about sex during the day at all.

    Seriously, there were several instances when a woman is beating the absolute hell out of a man, and once the authorities find them, it’s the man they arrest. Why? Because of course it’s the man that started it! You know, not even going into the fact that in reality, it’s usually the WOMAN that starts it. Men just don’t report it because so few people will take them seriously. Why do you think female-on-male rape/abuse is usually played for comedic purposes?

    It’s honestly disgusting that after all this time, we’re still this narrow-minded. Men act this way, women the other. I can’t wait to see what we’ll be like in, say, 2017. Will men still be neglected like this and will these double standards still exist? Or maybe it’ll be like the northern states back then where even whites were getting discriminated against. Considering what the world’s like right now, it wouldn’t be too far-fetched.

    …Oh, hey? What if a women is talking to another woman about the evils of men, and said women thinks of herself as a man? That’s called being transsexual, folks!

    • But… Aren’t females more likely to abuse their partner than males are?

      No.

      Well, if TV/books/pretty much EVERYTHING have taught me anything, it’s that women are the smart and kind ones, while men are abusive and stupid.

      I will not restate what’s already been stated in my post. Name me male heroes. Now name me females. Bechdel Test; if you’re so concerned with the amount of “stupid” men in media, how about you campaign that more women actually get featured at all?

      How would you like to be switch gender roles for a while and get accused of rape and everyone buys it because you’re a male?

      Everyone. Really? When 93.75% of rapists never go to jail? And with fine, upstanding folks like yourself to victim-blame and disbelieve female rape victims? Can I move to your world, so my rapist will magically be transported to jail? Funny thing in that fact, too; getting accused of rape? Nowhere near as horrible as actually being raped. Stop pitying your bros for a second and try to have some sympathy for the tens of millions of women in America alone who have been sexually assaulted.

      How would you like to get raped while you switch with a man and try to report it, but NO ONE listens and just laugh it off and wind up becoming the butt of jokes?

      Don’t have to switch sexes for that to happen. It’s called “victim-blaming,” and female victims–myself included!–deal with it every day.

      And that thing you posted about the statistics of men? One in ten males get raped. When men get raped, it’s usually a lot more violent then when women get raped. We’ve grown to ignore men so much that criminals tend to rape men just so they won’t get in jail. And besides, it’s possible that that 10% is under-reported. But you’re all like, “OH, IF 90% ARE WOMEN, THEN OF COURSE WE SHOULD FOCUS ON THEM AND ONLY THEM!”

      More violent? Talking out of your ass. But, focusing on men? Alright, good point! So, let’s focus on the men, like, say, the rapists. Because 99% of rapists are men. Yes, that includes rapes of men (well over 90% of male rape is by other males). Of total rapes, ~0.5% is female-on-male. Well obviously, we women need to STFU about our problems, clearly.

      Men are shown as being idiots and scumbags so much so that there is a decrease in masculinity. Boys are fearing being like the men they see on TV so much that they’re deciding to be more like women, who are always shown as being kind and nurturing.

      Even if I believed that (and you’re just so good about providing reputable reference studies, how could I not?)…so? Gender =/= equal sex, and children of either sex should be encouraged to identify with whatever gender they identify with. I’m genderqueer. Please attempt to be less bigoted.

      It’s not just women that oppress men. Men oppress men as well.

      Fixed that for you.

      Why do you think whenever there’s a massacre, it’s usually the slaughtered women/children that get all the attention while the men are mostly ignored?

      Have you paid attention to news stories not about the Titanic? Because I don’t know where you’re getting that in the first place. Regardless, how about you tell me why the rapes of women, which almost invariably go hand-in-hand with such “massacres” you’re eluding to, don’t get any attention at all? Oh yeah. Women, being raped, no need to talk about that.

      I’ve heard quite a different interpretation. Women are saints, and as such they’re willing to look past that blob of bumbling incompetence and respect them as human beings, and of COURSE men only want them because of how hot they are.

      Clearly you need better friends.

      Women want to wipe out the entire male race, women want to send men to concentration camps. Apparently, men are all pigs.

      Gotcha covered on that stereotype already.

      Seriously, there were several instances when a woman is beating the absolute hell out of a man, and once the authorities find them, it’s the man they arrest.

      Sources?

      Why do you think female-on-male rape/abuse is usually played for comedic purposes?

      I don’t even want to know what comedies you watch.

      It’s honestly disgusting that after all this time, we’re I’M still this narrow-minded.

      Fixed that for you too.

      maybe it’ll be like the northern states back then where even whites were getting discriminated against.

      You know, if I’d read all the way to this line before drafting a response, I wouldn’t have even given you one. So, thus far, we’ve got a metric ton of misogyny, and now a healthy dose of racism. Well you’re just a bundle of joy, aren’t you?

      What if a women is talking to another woman about the evils of men, and said women thinks of herself as a man? That’s called being transsexual, folks!

      OH. Transphobia. Just had to make it a trifecta, didn’t you? Congratulations: I’m officially publishing your comment just so the world can see how disgustingly prejudiced you are. No further bigoted comments will be published. Have a lovely evening!

  8. Man

    Wow this is really a man-hating blog. I could go on about the many social injustices for men but you obviously don’t care, are blind, or just hateful. Stop for a moment gathering every outdated or one-sided “studies” that cater to your opinions or even mine and just open your eyes and look around you. If you can’t even try to put yourself in the other person’s shoes then you have no right to even speak on this matter. Yes, women suffered oppression in the past and in some places today but so have men. Does this men we should act as if they are evil and their feelings don’t matter? Let’s get real for a moment, you’re white…and before you go throwing the “your just a racist” card, think about this. Every single race on this planet at one time or another has been oppressed by white people. Does that mean we should ignore any kind of injustice aimed towards white people? I’m sure you don’t feel that way. I know people never want to admit when they’re wrong and i’m sure you’ll find some clever way of telling me why i’m completely wrong and you’re 100% right but when you’re alone with your thoughts you should at least be able to admit that maybe you’re being a little one-sided.

    • Wow this is really a man-hating blog.

      http://bunnika.wordpress.com/2011/08/10/the-man-hating-feminazi/

      Stop for a moment gathering every outdated or one-sided “studies” that cater to your opinions or even mine and just open your eyes and look around you.

      Because you’ve provided such amazing citations to refute them? Scare quotes don’t change the legitimacy of my sources.

      If you can’t even try to put yourself in the other person’s shoes then you have no right to even speak on this matter.

      Pot: Hey Kettle…you’re black!

      Does this men we should act as if they are evil and their feelings don’t matter?

      Point me to a single place where I’ve said men are evil. In fact, I campaign on behalf of males: http://bunnika.wordpress.com/2011/09/06/youre-not-cutting-my-sons/ If I thought men were evil, I’d sit back and hope for more accidental penile amputations.

      Let’s get real for a moment, you’re white…and before you go throwing the “your just a racist” card, think about this. Every single race on this planet at one time or another has been oppressed by white people. Does that mean we should ignore any kind of injustice aimed towards white people? I’m sure you don’t feel that way.

      First, do not presume to be “sure” how I feel or do not feel. You are in fact quite wrong. I am white, and that privilege is a very real, unavoidable fact of my life, which is why I actively work to not be racist. I am not always successful; the bitter truth of privilege is that it blinds you to many sometimes subtle ways that you oppress minorities, which is why you need to sit down and listen when such a minority says, “You’re oppressing me. That thing you said/did was racist/misogynistic/homophobic/etc.” You are demonstrating a pointed refusal to do so, which is why your misogyny goes unchecked. And yes, this comment was racist.

      Your scenario is entirely faulty. Injustice toward anyone should not be ignored–if a white person gets assaulted, robbed, etc., they deserve justice. The problem is, you don’t seem to understand what “injustice” means. You’re using it here to mean a white person on the recieving end of racially-based injustice, ie someone being racist against them. Racism against white people is a myth. People of color may hold prejudices against white people, but first of all, those are the justified, natural response to their persecution at the hands of white people. (And no, I don’t blame people of color who hate me for my whiteness. I may be sad that someone wouldn’t choose to get to know me, but I know it is not my place to demand that from them, when the very existence of my privilege has a direct negative impact on their lives. Until more white people stop whining about this horrible “injustice” and start actively challenging our privilege, we will always oppress racial minorities, and that is a justifiable reason to be angry.) Secondly, as people of color do not hold authoritative power over white people, it is not in any way comparable to the prejudices held against people of color. The nasty -isms of the world are more than just prejudice, they’re prejudice held by those with the power to institutionally oppress those they are prejudiced against. So no, I absolutely do not think any progress toward racial equality will ever be made by worrying about how Poor Ol’ Whitey is going to fare. I’ve matured past the point of selfishness that inspired me to think that my minor encounters with racial prejudice as a white person are in any way comparable to those suffered by people of color, which is why I shut the fuck up about my white problems in discussions of racial equality. In case I’m not being clear enough here, white people in this scenario are equal to men–they are the people in power in this social dynamic, and just as I don’t want people worrying about my white self, and I don’t think I should be all in a tizzy about it either, I don’t think men who even pretend to desire gender/sex equality should be spending so much time whining, “Yes, but what about me?” It’s selfish, immature, and bigoted.

      http://bunnika.wordpress.com/2011/12/04/overstepping-allies/
      http://bunnika.wordpress.com/2011/07/26/youve-got-some-splaining-to-do/

      i’m sure you’ll find some clever way of telling me why i’m completely wrong and you’re 100% right

      Probably. Let’s try these:

      http://bunnika.wordpress.com/2012/01/24/grade-school-logic/
      http://bunnika.wordpress.com/2012/01/26/but-but-but-lesbians/

      when you’re alone with your thoughts you should at least be able to admit that maybe you’re being a little one-sided.

      When I’m alone with my thoughts I’m secure in the knowledge that I’m actively challenging my privilege and working to not be a bigot. You can’t possibly have the same comfort, unless ignorance truly is bliss.

  9. Cvija

    Go to youtube, type in “girlwriteswhat”, watch every one of her videos (actually even a single one will do), then try and say Misandry is a joke with a straight face.

    • I have watched her videos already, and find them beyond faulty into the outright ridiculous. Misandry is not a “joke,” it’s an invention used to ignore the fact that men (as a social group, not individual men who may belong to other oppresed minorities) are only oppressed by their own misogyny. Because then, to correct male oppression, men would have to allow women equality as well, which would destroy the status quo and deprive them of their privilege in far more arenas than those through which they are oppressed. Women who embrace the concept of misandry are suffering from internalized misogyny, which is far easier to deal with than acknowledging how oppressed we really are. I used to do the same thing, and it was disheartening and depressing when I started to remove my blinders. But while ignorance may be bliss, it’s also wilfully oppressive and cruel.

      Also: http://derailingfordummies.com/#backup

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